It is my opinion that the two references listed that state, "Joan had a daughter Alice who married Robert Revell or Ryvel" are typos.
I agree with that portion of these messages that clearly state Alice is daughter of Joan and I believe that we both subscribe to this same fact. Where we differ is in the naming of Robert instead of Robert's son Hugh as the husband of Alice. If you notice both stated references were written by the same man, L.F. Salzman. he simple made a mistake.
In fact BHOL History of the Court of Sussex, Volume 7 by L. F. Salzman states that Joan is married to Robert Ryvel, daughter is Alice which contradicts the previous two statements. Additionally, the Battle Abby Roll with Some Account of the Norman Lineages, Volume 3, pages 62 & 63 by Catherine Lucy Wilhelmina Powlett Cleveland (Duchess of Cleveland)states that Hugo Revell, son ofRobert Revell married Alice de Wapenbury during the reigh of Edward I (1272-1307). The fact is she also made a mistake as the marriage was most probably during the reign of John I (1199 - 1216) or Henry III (1216 - 1272).
The two Alice's are not one and the same as mentioned. The National Archives; Ward-Boughton-Leigh at Brownsover, Reference CR 162/57 clearly states that William leased all his lands at Brownsover to his mother Alice and his sister Dame Agnes. Should he die his son John shall collect in his stead dated 25 June 1294.
This reference is dated 25 June 1294. Most likely this referece is being re-recorded and the actual event took place some time prior to 1294.
There is no Robert, son of Hugh and grandson of the earlier Robert of Swinford. The line of progression is as follows:
Henry to Robert to Hugh to William to Robert to William.
I am following a particular sequence of events as presented by the master chart of the Revell families that I have been compiling. The next group of Revell’s that I wish to complete are all associated with property located at Crendon or Crendon Bucks. While I have already gathered approximately six generations of this Revell line, it is not complete and still offers many puzzles.
Transactions of the Royal Historical Society, Volume IV page 245 by Rev. Charles Rogers, LL.D1877 and also in Ecclesiastical Works of the Middle Ages, page 45 state. “In this MS. (Harl. 391) there are several charters relating to lands in London. Folio 89 is the charter of William Revel (and Andrew his heir), by which he claims certain liberties of " Ricard. filii Ernaldi," the Abbot of Waltham. The Revel family were of considerable note in their time.A John Revel held the manor of Revel's Hall in the village of Bengeo County Herts, temp. Henry II (1154 -1189).”
It would also appear that prior to 1194, Robert de Burun granted their holding in Bengeo to the Revells from whom the Manor took its name of Revell Manor. Lands granted were in Cockenhatch and were granted to William Revell, son of Andrew Revell. Geoffrey Revell owned this land in 1303. Source: A History of the County of Hertford, Volume III by William Page. Note: Bengeo is now known as the Parish of Waterford.
Clarice widow of Peter Morel, who held 1½ hides of land in Crendon of her own inheritance in 1179 and 1185, (fn. 161) was succeeded by John Morel, probably her son, (fn. 162) tenant of a quarter of a knight's fee here of the old enfeoffment under William Marshal in the reign of Henry III (1216 – 1272).At the latter date Robert son of William Revel, a minor, held land of William Marshal of the new enfeoffment. This reference was taken from Liber Feodorum (Book of Fees) also called Testa de Nevill (Rec. Com., page 247 and is contained in'Parishes : Long Crendon', A History of the County of Buckingham: Volume 4 (1927), pp. 36-45. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=62528&stuery=http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=62528&stuery=
RevelRobert or his heir of the same name was a landowner in Crendon in 1277, when half his possessions were assigned to his creditor Benedict the Jew.
A weekly market on Thursday, which was allowed to William Marshal in 1218, (fn. 166) does not appear to have survived the partition of the manor. In 1276 free warren was claimed. (fn. 167) Courts leet and views of frankpledge were held for the manor. (fn. 168) There is evidence of a windmill in the manor from 1297. (fn. 169) Robert Revel owned a capital messuage in 1277 (fn. 170) the Mortimer and Hastings lords had theirs rather later (fn. 171) ; in 1554 there was a capital messuage on the manor of Lovedens which the Dormers owned, (fn. 172) and the Dean and Canons of Windsor owned a mansion-house here in 1706.'Parishes : Long Crendon', A History of the County of Buckingham: Volume 4 (1927), pp. 36-45. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=62528&strquery=Revelhttp://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=62528&strquery=Revel
The manor of REVEL'S HALL first appears mentioned as a manor at the end of the 15th century. It probably formed part of Geoffrey de Bech's lands in Bengeo at the time of the Domesday Survey. (fn. 55) Geoffrey de Bech seems to have been succeeded here by Ralph the Butler (Pincerna), who at the end of the reign of Henry I granted two knights' fees, consisting of the manor of Cockenhatch and lands in Hailey (Heilet) and Bengeo, which were held under him by the family of Burun, to Aubrey de Vere. The latter was to hold the knights' fees in demesne until Robert de Burun paid him £32, after which Robert was to hold of Aubrey and Aubrey of Ralph. (fn. 56) The knights' fees are described as being formerly held by Roger de Burun, (fn. 57) and it is possible that the latter was the son of the Roger who held 5½ virgates of Geoffrey de Bech in Bengeo in 1086. (fn. 58) The materials giving evidence of the descent of these knights' fees are scanty. Roger de Burun, grandson of Robert, was holding land in Bengeo in 1206, when he made an agreement about 1 carucate of land with Thomas de Herlawe. (fn. 59) It is probable that ultimately the Buruns granted their holding in Bengeo to the Revels, from whom the manor afterwards took its name, for before 1194 Robert de Burun had granted certain lands in Cockenhatch to William son of Andrew de Revel. (fn. 60) The Revels were holding land in Bengeo in 1303, when Geoffrey Revel was returned for half a fee in Bengeo held of the Earl of Oxford. (fn. 61) There is no evidence to show how long the Revels held it or who succeeded them, but in 1495 Thomas Babthorpe died seised of the manor of Revels in Bengeo in demesne, and it was taken into the king's hands, (fn. 62) probably on account of the minority of the heir. It was evidently restored to the family of Babthorpe, as it appears to have passed from Nicholas Babthorpe to William Caldwell, (fn. 63) whose daughter and heir Joan conveyed it in marriage to Sir George Knighton. Their son John Knighton succeeded on his father's death in 1613. He gave the manor to his sister's daughter Mary, who married Henry Gardiner. Mary Gardiner, who survived both her sons and held a court in 1658, was succeeded by her daughter Mary wife of Henry Dunster. Mary survived her husband and was lady of the manor in 1700. (fn. 64) On her death the manor passed to her son Giles, who, dying without issue, left it to his nephew Henry Dunster, possessor of the manor in 1728. (fn. 65) It remained with the family of Dunster (fn. 66) until the death of Edward Dunster in 1791, when it was sold to Thomas Hope Byde. Afterwards it came by purchase together with the principal manor to William Parker of Ware Park. (fn. 67)Revel's Hall, the farm-house north-east of St. Leonard's Church, probably marks the site of the old manor-house. The present house is a 17th-century timber-framed building with additions on the south side.'Parishes: Bengeo', A History of the County of Hertford: volume 3 (1912), pp. 423-427. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=43637&strquery=Revell+http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=43637&strquery=Revell+