Lorraine, Be careful of computer programs trying to do too much for you.they are likely to mess you up in other ways. Birth is a separate event from baptism, and should be put into your data base separately. If all I have to work on is a baptismal record, I enter thatand I also create a birth record with a date of "before ..." the baptism date, with an added comment that the date given is a "bapt date". The presumed birth place might be the town of th baptism (but certainly not the church, if you include the church name in the baptism's "Place" field). You could, of course, just create the birth record as long as it contained all the baptismal information. It seems a bit of overkill to abandon UFT just because it does not do one particular task just the way you want it. You will find that moving your data to any other genealogy program will require some editing of a lot of your data to get just the output you want, unless your use of UFT and your needs are very straight forward. Certainly have a look at TMG, which is closest to UFT in terms of data concepts. It has many nice features, but a lot of us old UFT diehards still find it missing features we like in UFT.