I am in the business a long time too. I knew Banner Blue the time they had a program Org+ to make ‘organigrams’ (I do not know the exact English word for it). Here in Belgium we had a programmer who developed a utility that reads Roots3 databases and converted the data to Org+ that way we could produce wall charts long before any genealogical program could do it. Then the developers of Org+ saw a niche in the genealogy market and FTM was born. I bought it from the first version and wrote to the company if there was a possibility to have it translated into Dutch never got an answer (the market was to small I guess). The first FTM could read Roots3 databases directly. Those early days we had PAF, Roots3 and a few others not much of a choice. The years after that we had an explosion of new software for genealogy and I am still convinced that FTM uses the manner “If you cannot beat them join them or buy them” if Banner Blue did not use it then certainly TLC did it. In my earlier messages I gave an example of the way TLC threatens his customers with a program that even cannot read data from its earlier versions. I think if one of the RUG’s are at the NGS conference in Providence they would have to make the genealogical community aware that G.c. simply kills one of the most advanced software packages.