Dear Val, THANK YOU so much!!!! I did find a passenger list last year that showed William and the family seemed to have taken passage to New Zealand, but being a learner on the computor I did not know how to cut and paste the information, or how to bookmark the page. I will have to just keep checking through every passenger list I find on the net to rediscover this listing. It did take me a whole day checking passenger lists to find the information in the first place! It seems that William very cleverly has removed his convict past by travelling to New Zealand and altering the children's birthplaces and birthdates, then re-entering Australia appearing to be from New Zealand instead of from his convict past in W.A. He was a successful business man in the Bunbury region in West Australia where he set up a tannery awhich weas the first in the West coast if family oral history is to be believed. Then he ended up in Victoria according to family oral history and I had no further info on him. Catherine Sophia is my Grandmother. and i am trying to find out all I can of William and the rest of the family so the pieces can all be put together for future generations before the information is lost in time. Anything you can find on the family in the records will be most appreciated. Once again thank you for checking out the names for me.