William, you have blown my mind. I thought I had completely drained the UK records for Richard's family, and was looking for info concerning what happened to the 1910 emigrants after he died. I found out about Frederick's military service OK, but not being familiar with Canadian records, missed the others completely. They greatly increase my knowledge of what became of them, but the realy big surprise is Harold - I haven't found any son Harold in any of the census's. this is going to need some more serious research, so please excuse me if I cannot confirm his identity for a few days. Thanks for you efforts, I really appreciate your input.