Yes, I had found that information re the hosfords in carlingford and details on the trial 2008. Hmmm quite an eye opener and I thought we were all quiet folk lol. So in the meantime I have bought 'family tree maker' and am progressing. I dont want to know your private details but I am intrigued. Are u from the republic and do u have any connection to the hosfords? I suspect u are just an interested party. Anyway u can tell me what u feel free too. Thanks again your help is much appreciated.