My Ancestor Jan Van Cleave name was changed when the clerk did not understand name given and asked where are you from answer Van Cleve and so the story goes. I can find no census, in Germany or Holland. He was born 1627 Amsterdam to Cornelis Janse Van Kleef b.1601-09 in Wesky,Westphalia,Germany m. Marieken Femmetje Van Deventer b. 1606 in Bunnik, Utrecht, Holland. d. 1695. I have found no Jan Van Cleef/Kleef born in Cleve, Utrecht,Bunnick, Wesky, or Amsterdam. I have found a Jan Waldyke b. 1576 d. 1605 29y/o Holland. I have done my best in looking a the royals of both Van Cleefs and Waldyke and found no matches for children or distant relations. It has been related in stories that Cornelis (his Father)was a possible Royal but he went to Amsterdam. I can understand if he did not want to be a Royal with all the wars and religious problems. Basicly I find nothing for my Jan Van Cleve prior to arrival in New Amsterdam in 1653. Vicky Van Cleave- in the Philippines Do you Have any ideas.