I never knew anybody replied back to my posting about the Doll pioneer family of Shasta County. I appreciate you doing so. I think that GENFORUM.COM is getting lazy with sending messages out to everyone saying that somebody replied. I thank you for your information and just to let everyone know that Ferdinand and Valentine Doll were brothers. Ferdinand traveled back to Germany and married in there homeland. Valentine of course married in Shasta County. Thanks again for replying sorry, about the long wait to hear from me again.