Thank you for your response. As to birth, death, and marriage certs for both; Mary listed herself on at least 3 different census reports as being born in Illinois in 1850, 1852, and 1854. Indiana, Illinois, and Ohio do not have a marriage record although she lists her marriage date as 1868 on her son LeRoy's marriage app. Her death certificate says she was born in Illinois in June of 1852.No town or parentage listed. That is the problem....where in Illinois?....who are her parents ?