Glenda, haven't seen you around for awhile, so may not see this soon. Have you ever figured out the origins of the Groves in Minnesota, that corresponded with your Vance ancestry. I am Groves, from MN starting about 1870. We are not related to the Owen Groves clan (that I know of yet), if that is the Groves line you seek in MN. My great grandfather Stephen Jasper Groves being the MN resident. My Groves start's with Joseph Groves b. 1790 Jefferson/Berkeley co VA/WV. m. Catherine Staley. Joseph's parents being a Jacob Groves m. Margaret Garringer. If you find out more info on the Vance Staley line and can tell me who the correspondence was with in MN, I would be happy to hear it.