I imagine both Joseph and John are the sons so named Dirck Lowe Carle (aka Richard L. Carle [Sr.]) and his wife, Mary Firestone.
Richard L. Carle [Sr.] was born at New Jersey, the son of Joseph Carle and his wife, Maria Lowe.
There were nine known children born to Richard and Mary, as below. Rebecca Firestone Carle, m. John Miller George F. Carle, m. Elizabeth Sanor Richard Carle [Jr.]; died unm. Joseph Franklin Carle; m. Abby Burns John Carle Mary Ann Carle; m. William P. Macklin Daniel P. Carle; m. Catherine J. Shaw Lydia Ann Carle; m. Joseph Jackson Harriet J. Carle; m. Capt. Robert Marion Reid