Hey Di? Is there actual "paper" someplace with more complete info? If so what Info and where is the paper? We are virtually certain the first H.E.Grant is my ggrampa,however,we are stuck going backwards to England. We have a story from the only Cleveland folk left that he may have deserted the Scots Guard for GGrama Catherine (walsh)Grant but cant confirm. they think he entered thru canada. We also have all the 1881 Herbert E Grants from the 1881 English census.Thanks your a Doll oops that isnt politically correct!