Sharon , Its me again still would like to find something on this Lorthup guy. who was he. cant seem to find anything on him but on Sarah Jane McManis's Death certificate that I obtained from the ohio health dept. shows he is the father and Margaret Ervin is the mother . Have you seen anything? looking in genforum and punched in the name under several searches and cant seem to get a hit. also wondered if there is a possibility that if my fathers(Lawrence R. McManis) ss. card wasent gotten until 1958/1959 if he would have been reported that year as being born in 1941? still cant find that record either.