My info on my website is to build on and to keep on correcting and verifying until it is close to facts as possible. I appreciate the info that you have supplied.
The will was Marcus' and I believe that the children you speak of David and Thomas may have been his. The information that is with the names is the information of that individual, therefore, Marcus died 1835 (just 4 years after Martha's first husband (Mitchel Dorman?), and I assume that Martha had passed away before he did since Marcus' will mentioned the children and not his wife).
The will may not have stated children, it may have mentioned names, and the person Carmelita on the ancestry.com's board posting, dated Mar 23, 2001, is the person I need to contact for the will. She states:
(In reply to a Michael) "Michael, you probably have more info on your posting than I do. I have had the hardest time finding anything on my Andrew Jackson DORMAN. I often wonder if my Andrew Jackson DORMAN is the son of Martha DORMAN who's second husband Marcus Vandevier. Marcus died in 1835 in Monroe Co GA. Named in his will were the following DORMAN children:
Littleton P. Cullen Allen David J.P. Thomas
Both of the names Cullen and Littleton appear in Sumter Co Ga records in the mid to late 1800's. These names also appear in Edgecombe NC late 1700's and early 1800's. Haven't been able to tie these two together.
Maybe this will clear that part up. The Allen and Cullen line up according to your 860 genforum. I would guess that Martha's older children may have left home by this time, and perhaps Martha was not Mitchel's first wife which would provide some of the other children, who may have left home long before Willie, Allen, Cullen, and Ann moved to GA.
The rest of the information is from the family, and the family Bible. The Bible information that my family has starts with Rudolph Henry Dorman. Don't ask me why they transposed the names, I don't know. I have seen this a lot. Like I said this Bible is in the hands of my second cousin, Joyce Trowebridge. Or must have been handed down to her because I have some other info from Artell Dorman Billingsley which states:
"This material was taken from a bible printed in 1853. Its first owner and the recorder of the information was probably Sarah A. Gibson Dorman. The bible was then passed to her son William Henry Dorman (my Greatgrandfather); after his death it was kept for many years by his widow, Ealer Dorman, and bequeathed to her son Marvin Dorman. It now belongs to Marvin Dorman's son, William Henry Dorman of Quihi, Texas."
Artell states right after this: "I have copied the material as it appeared in the original. In places where I could not make out the letters or numbers, I have put question marks to indicate that the material was too dim or blurred to read. Artell Dorman Billingsley, San Antonio, TX, Aug 25, 1987."
I can scan the Bible records in and put them on the site, however, the older generation just typed them, and wrote them down from the Bible. They wouldn't use the latest technology such as copiers, at least these older family members didn't. It may be to difficult for them to go anywhere at their age so that may have been the problem, but I believe the info that they gave me to be fact. They wouldn't lie about their Bible records.
Allen (Wiley Monroe) Dorman had Rudolphus Henry Dorman going by the dates and the parts of the country. You are probably correct about the 1758 birth of Allen. I got the date from another source, but if you have a copy of the obit., then I believe the obit! But I would like to have a copy of the obit for myself.
It is very rare that Rudolphus Henry Dorman would come up again in another family in the same area at the same time, etc. Now a John Smith is another story. I have gotten some of my info off of rootsweb.com by different resources. One from a Grady Fuller who has my Rudolph H. listed with an "Allen (Willy Monroe) Dorman b. 1769 and m. to Mary Elizabeth MCNEELY. I don't know where she gets her info. She put Rudolph b. abt. 1800 and it was 1819. Another rootsweb.com individual was James C. Hankins who had the very same info. I have no idea where they are getting this info and I have not had the time yet to dig into it.
Personally, I would like to get a copy of the will and your obit so that I have the facts straight! The correct facts are what I am after, but I want to verify them myself before calling them facts. If I get the information from various sources, I say so. This gives the individual who has the documented information the opportunity to send me corrections and verifiable documents.
Another source was Jason Richardson from the ancestry.com message board dated Aug 6, 1998: "Allen Dorman married a Sarah in Lowdnes County, Alabama in the 1840's. His brother Rudolphus Henry Dorman married Sarah Agnes Gibson and moved to Mississippi (they were both here in 1850.) They both fought for the Confederacy. Rudolphus was killed. They had at least one other brother his name was Ephram and in 1860 he was living in Copiah County, Mississippi his mother Winnifred was living with him. Any information on any of these people, their decendants or their cousins would be greatly appreciated."
Notice mother Winnifred! Well? My family records also tell of my Greatgrandfather standing on the front porch when he was four (he remembered this) as he watched his father Rudolph Henry Dorman go off to war (Civil War). Also, I have all of the documentation about his death etc. He was actually killed in one of the last skirmishes or battles of the Civil War which happened to be right after the war had actually ended!
Get this. Another piece of family information: "William Randolph Dorman, father of Grandma Dorman's husband. His mother was a Randolph from Virginia. (Joyce Trowbridge) Apr. 11, 1969"
Winnifred Randolph???? Or was it that his mother's line came from the Randolph family in VA and Her name was Martha Winnifred ????
So, like I said I have some more digging to do! A lot. If you have anything on any of my issues, I sure would appreciate it. What do you think about genforum 919?
I need to get a hold of some of these relatives (if they are still around) and get some questions answered. It doesn't all add up.