That is an intersesting post Sandra. Thanks very much for your help. I had a look at family.org and it says that Edwin Ryan's mother was born in Pennsylvania and my Ethel ended up in Phildadelphia. Whether is is the right woman in 1920 I don't know but I will have to see where they turn up in 1930 and 1940. As to the information that Ethel has in 1920-mine emigrated in 1905. As to Ethel dropping a few years my great-grandmother who also emigrated,dropped a few years when she married for a second time.