Thanks Tomas, Hiram born about 1804 in Vermont. First seen in Dundas, Wentworth, Ontario, Canada census in 1861 age 57 listed occupation as gentlemen. Wife. Is Hannah (Copper) 39, d. Cecilia 15 and my gggrandfahter Cyrus 12. My suspicions are that Hiram may have been married before in VT due to the 15 year age difference and the fact Hannah was born in Wentorth. Then based upon Cecilias age I'd guess Hiram left Vermont sometime around 1840. There is a Sally/Sarah Colby appearing often related to Hiram in the Orange Conty area of Vermont births in the early 1820's lots of 0 age deaths related. Any help you can give would certainly be appreciated.