You asked for "vintage" of my ancestors Melvin & Samuel. The only date I know is Grandfather Clarence was born in 1894 & he was the youngest of 4. (My grandmother was Lola Hoffman of Cockeysville MD, outside of Balt. So I'm guessing GGrandfather Samuel (who also had a brother named after their father William), and my GGGrandfather William probably arrived on the scene somewhere during the very late 1700's to mid-1800's? It's hard to guess a timeline when you have no idea where to start. Other info: Samuel m. Emily Wilhemeina McGrath (McGraw until the Civil War), and William m. Susan Elliott of Elliott's Island, MD.