After years of searching I too do not believe John Abrams (or his brother Stephen) for that matter are the sons of Henry Abrams from Wales. Although it would be super to have this as our line it just doesn't pan out. As near as I can find surfing the internet, John is the son of James (or James Andrew) Abrahams born 23 Sept. 1763,who was married to Elsie Suydan. He was the son of James Abrahams born about 1729, who was married to Anne Perrine (her life is very well documented). He was another son of a James Abrahams who was born in England in March of 1695 and married to a Jannett, whose last name is not known at least by me yet. The family lived in Monmouth County New Jersey. If you look at where the Kelso girls are from you will see they too were from New Jersey (Perth Amboy).