Well.How confusing. The William J Abrams that I tracked from 1850 through 1910 is the one who lived in Pike Township, Marion County, Indiana in 1850 and 1860.He was born Oct 1833 in Indiana.Except for 1850, he always claimed Carpenter as his occupation (even when in prison). I mentioned in my second posting that there was another William J Abrams living in Salt Creek, Monroe Co, Ind in 1850.This William is 6 or 7 years older than the one I was researching.At that time, he states he was born in Kentucky. I do not know this tree at all, and I hope I have not mixed up people, but with these common names, I may well have done so.I based a lot of my deductions on his age, his occupation, his place of birth, and his father's place of birth.Except for 1850, he never varied his responses.He usually claimed that his mother was born in Ohio (as did his sister in the 1880 Census), but he did sometimes vary that answer. Good luck to all of you researching these families!