The DNA shows that our Kentucky line shows that we connect to Henry Abrams in Fairfield County, Ohio. After searching and gathering on that for many years it is nice to know that the effort is not wasted. So, if as I gather that Char Lou comes from James Spencer and Mary Abrams we still can not connect to her. Shame they can't test the women but do understand. I wish that we could she has posted so many useful little bits on our page. For that we thank her. Joseph Abrams Jr was in the Civil War and had six sons who also served. His pension is on the family file, do believe. I corresponded with two Spencer desc, do have their files. But, will not post because I have not been given permission to share.