Thanks Loren.. doesn't seem to make the "puzzle pieces" fit.. but .. I am going to try to figure it out a bit more. The Perry I have is from PA, so thought it might fit.. and there are some yrs after his 1st wife dies I have no clue.. but.. it just doesn't seem to fit.. his 1st wife is alive in the 1870 census and no Perry mentioned.. but then she is gone in the 1880 census.. then he shows up again in 1890 as marrying a widow.. but maybe he married in 1888??? But then he would return back to PA by 1890 to marry.. and my grandfather was born in 1891 after his dad died.. and his mom remarried.. this is so confusing.. But thanks for your help.