The Edward mentioned in the DEDHAM Edward's will was his nephew not his son.Also unless someone has something more than what was stated in the Histories of Suffield and Greenfield, there is no proof that the Nephew Edward is the same as OUR Ipswich Edward.( Although a possibility exsist)Also the family tradition was that the IPSWICH Edward was the one who mirgrated from Scotland. I would love to know if someone has a positive proof that Our Ispwich Edward was indeed related to the Dedham Edward.
From the book " Some of the Ancestors and Descendants of Samuel Converse, Jr"
By Charles Allen Converse
Compiled by Charles Allen Converse
Published by E. Putnam, 1905
Original from the University of Wisconsin - Madison
Digitized Sep 24, 2007
"Mr. Edward Allen, "gentleman" on of the original proprietors and first settlers at Dedham, from a reference in the account of the formation of Dedham church written by John Allen , the first pastor, - who came from Norfolk (England) and settled in Dedham in 1637, - appears formerly to have been connected with the Watertown settlement.He was the first town clerk of Dedham and served as such, from 1636 until his death, except for 1640.He was of the first board of Selectman, chosen in 1639, and also Selectman in 1641 and 1642.He was Deputy to the General Court in 1638, 1639, 1640, 1641, 1642; and died in attendance.He was Commissioner appointed to end small causes at Dedham, Clerk of the writs, and Registrar of birth, ect.He was the most prominent of the first company to settle at Dedham, and acted as agent of factor for English correspondents ( see Aspinwall's Notarial Records)His nephew John Newton lived in Dedham, and may have gone to England in 1646 ( General Court Records)Edward Allen disposed of his estate by a nuncupative will as testified by Francis Pembroke, 29, October 1642 ( Suffolk Deeds 1, 34), to his kinsmen John Newton and EDWARD ALLEN, who jointly receive their proportions of plough lands in the division of 6 March 1642 ( Town Records).
The younger Edward Allen, 29th August 1652, calling himself "of Boston, merchant", for himself and for his cousin John Newton, gentleman, of Orentum Co. Suffolk, England, sells 350 acres land at Bogestow, part of their uncle's estate ( Suffolk Deeds, 1, 232).As the connection of this younger Edward Allen with any of the founders of the Allen families in New England has not been made clear, Savage's guess as to his identity being erroneous, this brief statement of the facts may serve to prevent any confounding of the several Edward Allen's who early appear in New England, but who except as above indicated, had no known or probable connection with one another.
IT IS NOT IMPOSSIBLE that EDWARD ALLEN OF IPSWICH WAS THAT YOUNGER EDWARD ALLEN, who like his cousin John Newton (pg 672) may have gone to England, but later returned to New England and settled in Ipswich, perhaps at the suggestion of Rev. John Norton.
Lacking positive affirmation by records or contempory statemant it is sometimes necessary to consider matters which may throw side light, but which, in view of the absence of facts, should not have too much stress laid upon them, however plausible a theory may be constructed.The suggestions of Willard in History of Greenfield Mass., and of Sheldon in History of Suffield, as to the origin of Edward Allen of Ipswich, the former suggesting descent from,(and) the latter confounding him in part with Edward Allen of Dedham, were based upon more scanty information than we now possess.
Mr. O.P. Allen the genelogist of the Allen families, writes:"There were in Dedham about 1637-38, Rev. John Allen, Robert Allen, and the Deputy, Edward Allen, who were brothers, and James Allen, who was their cousin or nephew.But I have no reason to suppose that Edward Allen, of Deerfield, bore any relation to them, nor have I ever seen any proof offered in support of such claims.When Rev. John Allen died in 1671 he mentioned in his will his kinsman, Robert, and cousin James, and no doubt if Edward of Deerfield had been a kinsman, he would have noted the fact."Mr Allen also calls attention to the probable discrepancy in ages of these various Edward Allen's, early in New England.
There is no record to show that Edward Allen, the nephew of the Deputy, was a merchant for long in New England, or with extensive dealings.Many a merchant became a planter.The deputy himself was both merchant and planter, and "gentleman" as well.During that period in which there is no record in New England of Edward, the nephew of Deputy Edward (of Dedham), the service as a soldier under Cromwell, ascribed by tradition to Corporal Edward (of Ipswich) could have been rendered.If the nephew returned to England in 1646 with his cousin John Newton, and came back to this country in 1652, he was in England during the whole of the econd civil war, the most critical part of Cromwell's career, and might well have fought in the army and again have returned to New England.The coincidences are noted, not advanced as supporting any theroy. "
In the bio of Frederick Hobbes Allen a 4 X great grandson of Edward this statement is made:
" Frederick Hobbes Allen, lawyer and economist, was born in Honolulu, the son of Chief Justice Elisha Hunt Allen and Mary Herod Hobbes Allen.He traced his descent directly from Edward Allen, a member of Cromwell's 'Ironsides,' who emigrated to colonial America in 1661 and settled at Northfield, Mass., in 1685."
Fredericks line from Edward goes like this:
Edward - Benjamin - Joseph - Zebulon - Samuel Clesson- Elisha H.- Frederick.
I think the histories that say Edward immigrated to America in 1636 are the ones who have him confused with the Dedham Edward. I do not believe he came here then, but later.
I also think that Frederick had the passed down family info of Edward comming to America upon the Restoration and knowing his history he is the one who ascribed the date as 1661.However it would have been even a few years before that as he married in Ipswich in 1658
"Gen. Gleanings of Siggins and otherPA families" by Emma Siggins White, printed in 1918. Pages 418-433 -
For this line she is referenceing the " Savage Gen. Dictionary Vol.1", and the works of a Man by the name of George Allen who was a Professor at the University of PA, and this, his family tree was published in the Vermont Gazetteer, in 1876 Volume 1, page 606.
"Edward Allen of Ipswich.Came from Scotland to New England in 1636; m. Kimball and ha 15s. and 3 dau.
(M.S., letter of Hon. Joseph C. Allen)Hubbard mentions the burning of his barn by lightning 1670."
(Gen. Reg. of First Settlers of New England, by John Farmer.)
Sheila's Note:The account of children listed in the histories were taken from the children listed in Edward's will.However Elizabeth and Ann had preceeded their father in death and Sarah (the second daughter of that name as an earlier child named Sarah died in infancy) who married Edward Smith is reported to have died in 1699 three years later. I don't know why she was not listed unless she had recieved her share at her marriage.
From " A History of the town of Northfield, Massachusetts: ( Note this on does not metntion Dedham.)
Edward Allen. By tradition in the family, is said to have been a soldier under Cromwell, and came to this country upon the Restoration*.He was of Ipswich 1670. Was one of the committee for settling Suffield, CT., for which service he rec'd from the town in 1678 a grant of 60 acres of land.Suffield was settled by a colony from Mass., under whose jurisdiction it remained until 1752.Probable Allen was one of the first settlers.At his death, Nov 22, 1696 he held an estate valued at 256 pounds.
* (Sheila's note: Parliament of Scotland proclaimed Charles II King of Scots on 5 February 1649 in Edinburgh. He was crowned King of Scots at Scone on 1 January 1651. Following his defeat at the Battle of Worcester on 3 September 1651, Charles fled to the continent and spent the next nine years in exile in France, the United Provinces and the Spanish Netherlands.
After the government of Britain, the Protectorate, collapsed under Richard Cromwell in 1659, General George Monck invited Charles to return and assume the thrones in what became known as the Restoration. Charles II arrived on English soil on 25 May 1660 and entered London on his thirtieth birthday, 29 May 1660. After 1660, all legal documents were dated as if Charles had succeeded his father in 1649. Charles was crowned King of England and Ireland at Westminster Abbey on 23 April 1661.
Since we find Edward and Sarah Kimball in the marriage records in Ipswich in 1658 he must have arrived here just prior to the restoration in 1661.
(Sheila's note Re: Edward as a soldier under Oliver Cromwell;) * John Pengilly * was a witness to Ipswich Edwards Will and inventory;
Oliver Cromwell died in 1658 (same year Edward and Sarah were married in Ipswich) and his son Richard Cromwell was his successor.Richard did not have his father's military prowess nor favor with the army, and on 22 April 1659, Parliament was dissolved and the Rump Parliament recalled on 7 May 1659. In the subsequent month Richard did not resist and refused an offer of armed assistance from the French ambassador, although it is possible he was being kept under house arrest by the army. On 25 May, after the Rump agreed to pay his debts and provide a pension, Richard delivered a formal letter resigning the position of Lord Protector. He continued to live in Whitehall Palace until July, when he was forced by the Rump to return to Hursley.
In July 1660 Richard left for France, never to see his wife again. While there he went by a variety of pseudonyms, including “John Clarke”.In 1680 or 1681 he returned to England and lodged with the merchant THOMAS PENGILLY in Finchley in Middlesex, living off the income from his estate at Hursley.He died 12 July 1712.
Here we see a close tie between the Pengilly family and that of the Cromwell's.This would give some support to the family tradition that Edward of Ipswich severed under Cromwell.(SAW)