Donna, these 'haystack needles' are really hard to find ! I've been trying to get back past my great grandad's family for over six years, without any results. His name may have started out as "Allin" and got changed, somewhere down the line. The families were able to hide a lot of things back then, without any way to prove them wrong. I've even found that my own dad's name may have been changed, from what it was at birth. There were no true records of birth in the 1800s, especially when they were born at home. But, Good Luck on your search, and I'll keep my eyes peeled for anything that might help. Best regards, Dave.