I just posted this on another bulletin board, but I wanted to share it with the Allen board as well.It deals with the following data conflicts which may affect some Allen descendants and researchers:
a. parents and husband of Susanna Opie
b. parents of Elizabeth Lindsey who mar. John Allen Sr.
c. middle name of John Allen Sr., if he had one
d. wife of John Allen Sr.
e. husband of Susanna Allen, dau. of John Allen Sr. and Elizabeth Lindsey
Previous post: To Jeanne Park, Shirley Moncrief, and others - I have also noticed some discrepancies associated with the family of John Opie and his daughter Susannah Opie, as well as with the family of John Allen Sr. (called by some "John Peter Allen") and Elizabeth Lindsey and their dau. Susannah Pace. Unfortunately, some existing genealogies may be rendered incorrect after all the associated data have been verified. I'll give what I have found so far. There is much work to be done here, but I think we would all prefer to have the details 100% correct, even if it means scrapping some long-held assumptions. By the way, below I'll write Lindsey/Lindsay as I currently have it in my records, knowing that the spelling could be either way and may be found both ways in period records - it seems to be Lindsay more often in early (pre-1700) records, and Lindsey later; how to choose the correct spelling for any given individual during this period is beyond me.
I have John Opie (b. sometime after 1672, perhaps 1691, and d. 20 Mar 1722, son of Thomas Opie Sr. and Ellen Lindsay) mar. 1st 15 Jan 1710 in Lancaster Co. VA to Ellen Heale (b. 1697, dau. of George Heale and Ellen Rogers; surname sometimes Hale/Haile/etc.), then mar. 2nd in Mar 1713 (perhaps 1713/14) to Anne Metcalfe (d. ca. 1725, dau. of Richard Metcalfe and Elizabeth Fauntleroy). By his 1st wife Ellen, John Opie may have had some children but I have not noted their names; they may instead be those by the 2nd wife. John Opie and 2nd wife Anne had 4 ch., sons Lindsey b. 5 Mar 1714 and Thomas b. 25 Feb 1716, dau. Susanna b. 5 Feb 1719, and another ch. who d. young. The births are recorded in the St. Stephen's parish register, Northumberland Co. VA and also in Genealogy of VA Families (v. III, p. 675 ff. and v. IV, p. 577 ff.). As the 3 birthdates given are in Feb and Mar, the years given may be off by a year - that is, 1714 may be either 1713/14 or 1714/15, but I think one would have to see the dates in context (i.e., in the parish register in the order of their enty) to determine the correct year. Note that Susanna was b. 1719, not 1710, and 1710 is before John Opie's marriage to Anne Metcalfe; it is unlikely, albeit possible, that John Opie also had a dau. Susanna by his 1st wife.
John Opie's dau. Susanna b. 1719 mar. 1st 24 Apr 1735 Rodham Kenner (whose 1 Mar 1743 will was prov. 8 Aug 1743 in Northumberland Co. VA and names wife Susannah and sons Richard and Rodham, extrs. Maj. John Waughop, John Kennedy, and bro-in-law Lindsey Opie); Susannah mar. 2nd 26 Aug 1742 Northumberland Co. VA (license date) to Travers Colston and had sons William and Raleigh/Rawleigh. I saw no marriage of this Susanna Opie to a Robert Lindsay, and so can't confirm such a marriage or a daughter Elizabeth Lindsay. Perhaps there are some wills or land records which would shed some light on things.
I have Elizabeth Lindsey, dau. of James and Mary Lindsey (not Robert and Susanna Lindsay), who married John Allen Sr. (more on him below). John and Elizabeth (Lindsey) Allen are my 5g-gparents. This is the John Allen who is called "John Peter Allen" by some researchers; however, to date I have not found any record which gives his middle name or even a middle initial. Perhaps there was a Peter Allen, who has been confused with John Allen (or can be proven to be the same person as John Allen). I am calling him John Allen Sr. until such as time as proof otherwise is found.
I have James Lindsey and Mary (surname unknown) as the parents of Elizabeth Lindsey who mar. John Allen. Anne Lindsey, another daughter of James and Mary Lindsey, was b. ca. 1756, d. 7 Jan 1826 in SC, and mar. Joseph Woodruff Sr.; Joseph and Anne (Lindsey) Woodruff are buried in the Bethel Baptist Church cemetery, Woodruff, Spartanburg Co. SC, and they are also my 5g-gparents. James Lindsey was the son of William Lindsey d. ca. 1768 and wife Jane (surname unk.); the 11 May 1766 will of William Lindsey was prov. 26 Sep 1768 Brunswick Co. VA and names his son James and dau. Sarah Copland (Copeland) and 4 gdaus. - Elizabeth Lindsey (dau. of Caleb Lindsey - so Caleb may be another son of testator), Sarah Lindsey (father not stated), Susannah Lindsey (dau. of James Lindsey), and Elizabeth Lindsey (dau. of James Lindsey). This will is in Brunswick Co. will bk. 3, p. 511, and proves that James Lindsey had a daughter Elizabeth, but predates Elizabeth's marriage to John Allen.
Some sources give the parents of Elizabeth Lindsey who mar. John Allen as Robert Lindsay and Susanna Opie, dau. of John Opie and Anne Metcalfe; however, I have seen the bdate of this Susanna Opie given as 1710, and other data indicates that Susanna Opie mar. Rodham Kenner and then Travers Colston, rather than Robert Lindsay (see discussion above). More data is required to clarify these relationships - did Robert Lindsay (or his wife, or other relative) leave a will which would clarify things? Since Robert and Susanna Lindsay may also be my 6g-gparents, I would like to know more about this family.
John Allen Sr. (b. ca. 1743 Rowan Co. NC, d. 8 Dec 1822 prob. in Spartanburg Co. SC where his will of 8 Jun 1822 was proved 15 May 1823 and mentions sons William L., James, John, Matthew, Caleb; daus. Lucretia Allen, Eliz. Allen, Mary Woodruff, Susannah Pace; James Waldrup "bound to me"; exctrs Wm. L. Allen, James Allen, Caleb Allen; wit. Wm. Jones, Jonathan Crook/Creek, Wm. Handback [perhaps Standback?].
I have seen John Allen Sr.'s wife listed as Mary Holland, but with the same children as others list under Elizabeth Lindsey. John Allen's wife is Elizabeth in a 7 Aug 1788 deed in Surry Co. NC; note that since John Allen Sr.'s son Rev. James Allen, a Baptist preacher, named a son Moses Holland Allen, the surname Holland may have asserted itself accordingly (however, I believe this son of James Allen to be named after Rev. Moses Holland, another Baptist preacher in SC). I suspect that Mary Holland may not be a real person, but have no further data on this disparity.
Susanna/Susannah Allen, the dau of John Allen Sr., was b. ca. 1780 Surry Co. NC, and is said to have d. Saluda, NC (which could be Saluda in Polk Co. NC, or perhaps Saluda Co. SC). Per her father's will, Susanna married a Pace, and I have her husband as Burrell Pace, not Jonathan Pace; this data apparently comes from Allen researchers, but I can't cite a source. I see that Jonathan Pace's father is given as Burrell Pope Pace (a different Burrell Pace than mar. Susanna Allen). I have also read that Burrell Pope Pace had a son Burrell Pace who mar. E. Thornton. Also note a Burrell Pace was rcvd. by ltr. as member of Bethel Bapt. Ch. at Woodruff, Spart. Co. SC on 15 Sep 1787, and witnessed a Spartanburg Co. SC deed of 9 Mar 1793. Further research into SC records may sort out those of this name (there are several), and also identify their wives.
I have, perhaps to your chagrine, pointed out some difficulties with our records. I am hoping to learn the truth of the matter (I'm already 63, so time is becoming a factor).