Below is some family history passed to me by my father. John Allen immigrated to America as a young man. He became attached to the Payne- Whitney stables, in Carolina. As a Jockey, he was quiet famous on the American scene Our Mother, his sister, used to speak much of his attainments, saying that he rode the winner of one of the American Classics( Kentuckey Derby, perhaps).At a later stage in his career, he was manager- trainer for the Payne-Whitney stables. Later he became a trainer and owner in his own right. He trained and owned several well- known horses; of these, the best known called Full and Plenty. Here is how the name came about: One day, as a boy, he went with his troubles to his Mother. His Mother consoled him and said: ?Don?t worry John, some day; you will have full and plenty?. John Allen?s greatest achievement, however, was the fact that he was the American trainer of the great horse, Orby, which won both the Irish and the English Derby, in 1907.Our mother always spoke of him as having brought a horse to the Derby. John Allen died, in America, about 1936.