Follow-up to Allen post in Genealogy forums
Yes, the builder of the log cabin at Alamance is called in records "John Allen III" if the Dublin John was #1. He is my direct ancestor, and my Allens are from that county, then called Orange.
You can easily google the Alamance Co Battlefield, the Cane Creek Records (Quaker), and the Allen House that stands there for much information.
In fact, John Allen III settled Snow Camp with Simon Dixon, and Simon married his sister Elizabeth Allen. Both Elizabeth and Simon are featured in the outdoor drama, The Sword of Peace, which you can also google. It is a nice little drama.
Moreover, Lord Cornwallis stayed awhile in the Dixon's cabin. His troops didn't do very well for his fences or livestock, for certain. It is also said they gave Simon the pox which killed him. How very nice of the British.
Would you know of any earlier records perhaps? My family is also related to the Hadley family, also an old Irish line and Quaker, also easily researched. There is even a Hadley Society.
Nevertheless, without having to cross the ocean again, I am wondering, in our lovely age of technology, if we can successfully navigate the lineage "pre-Dublin" in any constructive way. Dublin could be simply a large port for embarkation and not any place of birth or residence. Then if so, why not Belfast?
Do you know of any organisations that would support our search, esp considering the multitude of persons in the US who are related to John Allen I?
There ought be some definitive paper or record that says "oh, yes, he was from Ireland/Scotland/England", don't you think? Of course they all moved around, esp in that age when the north of Ireland was settled by many English and Scots (post Henry VIII).
There are long lists of where the name Allen came from. Most say Normandy with William the Conquerer, 1066, but that is no proof as to where they settled, since Normans invaded both what was to become England proper and the Irish isle. Hence, we have such Irish people as the singer Chris de Burgh, clearly a Norman name, ie "of the fort/castle".
ALLEN Surname Meaning & Origin:
The Allen and Allan surname derives from "aluinn," meaning fair or handsome.
The Allan surname spelled with an "a" is generally considered to be associated with Scottish clans, including Clan Donald, Clan Grant, Clan MacFarlane and Clan MacKay. Spelled with an "e," however, the Allen surname is generally considered to be English in origin. However, a variety of names from a variety of regions might be anglicised as either Allen or Allan, so the name spelling may not point to your family's origin.
Allen is a surname, and may refer to many people. It is reported as #27 in a list of common surnames in the USA . It is of Scottish origin, coming from aluinn meaning handsome.
And we have this:
Last name origins & meanings:
English and Scottish: from a Celtic personal name of great antiquity and obscurity. In England the personal name is now usually spelled Alan, the surname Allen; in Scotland the surname is more often Allan. Various suggestions have been put forward regarding its origin; the most plausible is that it originally meant ‘little rock’. Compare Gaelic ailín, diminutive of ail ‘rock’. The present-day frequency of the surname Allen in England and Ireland is partly accounted for by the popularity of the personal name among Breton followers of William the Conqueror, by whom it was imported first to Britain and then to Ireland. St. Alan(us) was a 5th-century bishop of Quimper, who was a cult figure in medieval Brittany. Another St. Al(l)an was a Cornish or Breton saint of the 6th century, to whom a church in Cornwall is dedicated.
This name was brought to North America from different parts of the British Isles independently by many bearers in the 17th and 18th centuries. Prominent early bearers include Samuel Allen, who settled in Braintree, MA, about 1629 (died 1648 in Windsor, CT) and whose descendants included Ethan Allen (1737–89), leader of the Green Mountain Boys in VT during the Revolution; and William Allen (died 1725), from Dungannon, Ireland, an early Presbyterian settler in Philadelphia, whose descendants include William Allen (1803–79), governor of OH.
One could really go on with this all day long.
To make matters worse, or simply more interesting, there is no such thing as "pure" English or Scottish, since they were composed of many different kinds of tribes, and even now are highly regionalised as nation states. There are for example today in Scotland 4 basic kinds: highland, lowland, urban and island. In England there are simply too many, but have included Angles, Saxons, Britons (Celts), Romans, Vikings, Jutes, Danes, etc all in separate kingdoms, such as Mercia and Wessex and the Danelaw.
One can hardly promote any kind of nationalist leaning under such conditions.
I would be happy to know where the "pre-Dublin John Allens" were from back even 2-3 generations. The Friends are known to have kept pretty good records.
Then again, one can hardly base one's ancestry on one name, since I am also related to Nances, Boone, Baileys, Stouts, Richs, Walkers, Melvins, and Petersons. Pretty good all around German, English, Scottish mix there. (No "pure" Germans either, no matter the 1930s propaganda, but that is another tale).
I suppose it is who were are NOW that defines us, yes,
but it is nice to know, since we are colonials. I suppose we are lucky to know our last name, even so.
So, who knows the address to the Dublin Friends we can mail to?