Right, there are nine children, I left Richard off the original posting.. sorry about that...will do some more checking and see if can figure out what is Lillian's middle name.I just know that with the census data and Ivy giving me the names of her siblings, that I haven't ran across a Catherine as a sibling.I'm not sure who Iva Horton Berger is, where is she from??? ... Ivy Anna married a Hardy.They had a daughter Ida Mary and she had six sons.Ida died abt. 1999. How far back do you have this family?I have quite a bit of info that goes way back on both the paternal and maternal lines(which are always difficult to trace) An interesting note:Simon Jefferson(aka/Seth/Jeff) and John Nelson made the Land Run into Oklahoma together.But eventually sold the land they claimed and moved back to Kansas for a while. Simon also had a large family.