It'sso good to hear from you!Yes, John (my direct line) was Nathaniel Jr's brother.Here's how my line goes.I've been able to actually prove back to Allen Aly Marion Bivens through the censuses.By 1840 it was just the head of household an I can only guess.I believe that the 1790 census proves that Abraham is the son of John and Gemima. I started getting carried away with William and Ann and they pulled myself back down to Earth and start proving the relationships.I have found where William and Ann were married, however.They were married 2/10/1725 in Prince George's Cnty, MD by Jacob Henderson. Marriage records show Brushier as her last name and I believe his as Beven.Here's the source info for that:
Marriages and Births – Queen Anne?s Parish (1700s), Prince George?s County, Maryland
Salt Lake FHC Film No. 0014304, Item 3
Contributed for use in USGenWeb Archives by Martha Salberg MartSal@aol.com
Anyhow, here it is:
Nathaniel Bivens Sr b 1739-1740 Pennsylvania or Virginia d 5/9/1816 Meadow Branch, Anson Cnty, NC He is buried at the family farm on Richardson Creek, Union Cnty, NC. MISC INFO
The Greenville Journal, Vol. L, Spring 1990, Page 7 lists Nathaniel as one of the first settlers of Union County, NC.
Migrated to NC from Franklin Cnty, PA
Appearedin Meadow Branch section of Anson Cnty (Union), NC after Revolutionary war.They were the first of three families to settle thisarea.
Said that he was of German descent (probably of area of Germany where protestants took refuge)
Married Peggy when she wasi n her teens
Will probated in Anson Cnty, NC in April or May of 1818.
Married Margaret Peggy Tyler in 1759 in Pennsylvania or New York Witnessed by Lorenzo Brown.
Peggy b 1743 Netherlands? d 1816 Meadow Branch, Anson Cnty, NC She is buried at the family farm on Richardson Creek, Union Cnty, NC
MISC INFO I HAVE FOUND FROM OTHERS
Believed to be an orphan who stowed away passage to the U.S. from England
According to family legend, Peggy Tyler was from Holland. Her mother di ed and her father remarried. Peggy came to America on a ship that sailed f rom London. She supposedly married Nathaniel Bivens when she was quite you ng. I have no documentation on this story.
Louise Roberts of Monroe Union Co, N.C. has the shawl that Margaret "Pegg y" Tyler wore on ship on her trip to America.
(NOT ME-THIS IS FROM SOMEONE ELSE)
I've found a couple of records of Margaret Tyler(s) in England at the rig ht time.
Shropshire:Alberbury Parish Registers, Hereford Diocese,
Baptisms and Burials, 1794--1812,
Alberburg Parish Registers
25 Apr 1726 Margaret, d. of Tho. & Ann Tyler bap.
Shropshire: Leighton, Atcham Parish Regs, Lichfield Diocese,
29 Aug 1741 Margaret, d. of Charles & Anne Tyler bap.
These are tantalizing clues; maybe one of these is our Margaret, but I hav en't found any other separate records of her.
Nathaniel and Peggy had 10 children (that I have found.) They are:
John (b 5/11/1760 Anson Cnty, NC d 3/11/1818 Mecklenburg, NC m 9/18/1779 in Mecklenburg, NC to Gemima Crockett),
Sara Sally? (b 1763 Anson Cnty, NC d 10/1836 Lancaster, SC m bef 1780 to Amos Hough),
Elijah Rev (b 8/25/1775 Anson Cnty, NC d 1860 married a Kathleen or Katherine),
Abel(btw 1772-1775 Anson Cnty, NC),
Stephen S(btw 1774-1778) Mecklenburg, NC d Columbia Cnty, AR m Susan Shelby in Wayne Cnty, TN,
Lydia (b 1776 Mecklenburg, NC d 1855 Bakers, NC m 1805 to William Williams),
Moses (b 1778 Mecklenburg, NC m Sarah Sally Cochran),
Unity (b 1770 Anson Cnty, NC d 12/9/1832 m William Adams),
Nathaniel Jr (b 11/18/1787 Anson Cnty, NC d 11/14/1845 Richardson Creek, Union Co. North Carolina m Margaret James) This is a post I found on here regarding their buria,,
Re: Cemetery for Nathaniel Bivens, Sr. Jr.
Julie_Hampton_Ganis (View posts) Posted: 27 Mar 2002 3:34AM GMT
I just found a listing for his grave in the book: Union County, North Caro lina Family Cemeteries by Otha B. Small, 1992. This is what it says:
Bivens Family Cemetery, located on the Old Nathaniel Bivens Property, n ow owned by Faye Bivens Giles, a descendant. Copied by Charles F. Bivens.
Bivens, Margaret James Oct 4, 1793 - Dec 14, 1859
Bivens, Nathaniel Jr. Nov 18, 1787 - Nov 14, 1845
Six additional markers with no information.
William D (abt 1774 in NC)
I hope this helps.I haven't actually "PROVED" much of it but I feel pretty confident that it's correct.If you need more info or clarification please let me know!!