My father, George Bretz, has told me that when his great-great grandfather Jacob Bretz came to the US, he also came with his 7 brothers. I believe if many of you look at the dob's of your great-great grandfather Bretzes, you may find out that they are within the same years, close enough that they could have been brothers. His earlier study found that one went to Iowa, one or two to Ohio, and he thinks one to Indiana. They all came to Germantown PA on a boat from Ireland. One drown on the way and there were six left. It seems that Ludwig, Jacob, John, Peter and others may have been brothers.