Nancy, There was a lot of information in your post, but I think that we might be able to help each other.I also am researching (slowly) on the Brogden line.My 4th ggmother was Mary Harper Brogden b 17 Mar 1824 in North Carolina. She married Benjamin Franklin Marion abt 1848 in Alabama?They had 6 children all born in Alabama.They lived in Madison Co. I think that I might have her linked to parents, but I haven't proven it yet.Lack of time and money. I have 3 young children at home. Several years ago I found a book in SL that was called Betts Generations: Early 1613-1991 SLC 929.273 B466bs It had some Brogden's listed in the family.Like I said I think I have linked in, but haven't proven it. I believe that her father was John Brogden b. abt 1804 in N.C. They lived in Granville Co. He married Susannah Hoofman 22 Dec 1824. They had the 8 children. The first two are the ones I haven't proven. 1. Mary Harper 2. female child 3. Margaret 4. Jacob James T b. 1832/33 in Tennessee married Sarah T. Clark 14 Sept 1854. He died in Tennessee 5. Deliah Catherine 6. Henry 7. Franklin 8. Minerva Ann John's father was Willis Brogden. I found a John Brogden on the 1830 census with two female children, but children 3-8 didn't fit. My Mary Harper did. They weren't supposed to be married until 1824, and Mary Harper was born in March of 1824. I talked to the lady who wrote the book on the phone and she said that it was possible.She hadn't done a lot of research on this line, because it wasn't a direct line.She said that a lot of people would say they were getting married, and would live together like they were until the preacher came around on the circut.Like I said though, I would like definate proof. Sounds like we might be working on collateral lines though. Sorry that I am rambling.Hope that we can help each other.