1850 Census IA, Des Moines, Yellow Spring: Hiram Carmine 40 b OH Lydia [not Julia] 35 b OH Mary Jane 15 b Ill Samuel 13 b " [Ill] Martha 11 b " [Ill] Richard 9 b Iowa Milinda (sic, there is a clear dot over both "i"s) 7 b " [IA] Sarah 4 b " [IA] William 2 b " [IA] Robert 1 b " [IA]
1856 Census IA, Des Moines, Benton Allen [not Hiram] Carmine 45 b KY [The change of the husband's name is curious, but the wife & children are identical.] Lydia " 37 b Ia [hard to read, but looks more like Ia than Ind or Ill] Mary " 20 b " James " 18 b " Martha " 17 b " Richard " 15 b " Malinda (sic) " 13 b " Sarah " 11 b " William " 9 b Iowa [next page] Robert Carmine 7 b Iowa Elisa [no "] 5 b " Emily 3 b " Levi 0 b "
1860 Census IND, Jefferson, Shelby Alen (sic) Carmine 49 b KY Lydia Carmine 42 b Ind Melinda (sic) " 17 b do [= ditto] Sarah " 15 b do William " 13 b do Robert " 11 b do Elisa " 9 b do Emily " 7 b do Levi " 5 b do Franklin " 3 b do Lydia " 1 b do
[couldn't find this family in 1870]
1880 Census IA, Van buren, Milton Carmine Allen 70 b KY father b: KY mother b: KY -- Sarah 63 b KY, father KY, mother KY -- Lydia 21 b Indiana, father b KY, mother b Ind. [Allen's wife Lydia has died & he has married Sarah]
There is great confusion about the birthplaces in the various censuses above, but that is fairly typical.
Can anyone tell me who Hiram/Allen & Lydia Carmine's dau. Mary/Mary Jane Carmine married?
Is it possibly Isaac Rowcroft, 22 & single in IA, Des Moines, Washington Twp in 1856? [Washington Twp is on the West side of Yellow Spring Twp, so they could have met locally] When Isaac Rowcroft died, his widow Mary married Samuel Smith. Their dau. Laurella Elizabeth Smith m. Albert J. Walthall, & they were my grandparents. My baby book says Mary (Rowcroft) Smith's maiden name was "Carman."
Foster & Elvina Carmean/Carmine's dau. Mary Jane Carmean/Carmine (b Jul 1837 Concord, Ross, OH; d 1665 Yellow Spring Twp, Des Moines, IA; bur. Kossuth) m. John R. Braden (b ca. 1835). So, she is not my Mary.
Is Hiram/Allen a Carman or a Carmean? The Carmans, from Hemel Hempstead, Eng., arrived 1631 Roxbury, Norfolk, MA & settled Hempstead, Long Island, NY. The Carmeans/Cremeens/Cremins, from Co. Cork & Kerry, Ireland, arrived 1677 Taylors Island, Dorchester, MD. They get hopelessly confused in Baltimore Co, MD, & in the MidWest. Carmine can be either.
Is Hiram/Allen Carmine related to Foster Carmine, both of Yellow Spring Twp, Des Moines, IA? Foster seems to be a Carmean descendant, s/o Pearson, s/o Curtis, s/o Jacob Carmean.