In my family tree I have a John Cartmell, christened on 2 April 1831, son of Robert Cartmell (c. 8 Sept. 1805) who married Elizabeth Birkett on 6 March 1826 at Crosthwaite (Keswick). John Cartmell was one of 11 children produced by Elizabeth and Robert. All were christened at St John' in the Vale. I have some details for all of them. I am descended from Robert, born two years after John.