cheevers/DNA
This message is may be of interest to all Cheevers or those with close variations to the name.It concerns information gleaned from DNA results.Both the Cheevers and the Pomeroys believe their lines are descended from Roger Capra. The Pomeroys state that they have a gap in the paper trail back to Roger and I have long been uncomfortable with the Cheevers (Capra – Chievre) very early time line.The Pomeroys have a DNA pool of about 150 individuals who all have similar DNA.So far as I know the Cheevers have a pool of 1 individual – me.The Pomeroys have DNA groups around the world all having very similar DNA; close enough to indicate a common ancestry.If the Pomeroys and the Cheevers are both descended from Roger then my DNA should show the same degree of difference as there is between the Pomeroy groups.
My DNA is very different.
This difference could be the result of one or more occurrences:
1. The Cheevers and the Pomeroys are not descended from the same rootstock;
2. In the earlier days the boys were away a lot playing swords and shields and the women stayed home playing - - well playing.This could have happened anywhere along the way all the way back to Petronella;
3. An adoption where the adoptee took the name of the Cheevers or the Pomeroy parent;
4. Someone who just liked the name Pomeroy or Cheevers;
5. The result of a location, a local event or a very close friend or
6. The result of an extraordinary service or feat of arms.
I have recently had correspondence from a Simon Hollingworth who says he and I have very similar DNA.
“In response to your comments regarding your DNA being disparate to
your family cohort... we are very much in the same boat.
My family were Saxons from Manchester.
We resided at Hollingworth (Holisurde at 1066) and were presented with
the manor in 1220 in respect our ancient connections with the village
dating back to 1002. Upon being given the manor we were officially
reinstated as local demense Lords under Norman rule. The odd thing is
that there are many families with the name Hollingworth and
Hollingsworth... and all with very different DNA. This is odd as there
are only two tiny villages in all the world with this name!
The most recent conclusion to be made is that we probably assumed this
surname when we became the local Lords. Perhaps your family did the
same!
Our (yours and mine) DNA seems to be unique in a number of ways.
The Northern Rivers DNA project in England have been examining
European DNA clusters that migrated to England during the Saxon,
Danish and Norman invasions. To date my DNA markers are the only one
to have been confirmed as matching the Saxon/Northern Frank DNA of
Friesland. There conclusion is that my DNA and my forefathers of
Holisurde were indeed Anglo Saxons with earlier connections with the
Low Countries. This is consistent with claims made by my line some 500
years ago, so it is always good to have scientific proof.
It is well documented that the Saxons and Danes were the root stock
for the Normans, however identifying the origin is very difficult
indeed. The Norse have a different haplotype I believe, however Saxons
and Dane share similar European celtic markers. There were many Norman
and Belgium families of Saxon parentage, and it would appear at first
glance, that you too share this same origin.
My family share more recent connections with your family's homeland.
We came to France during the times of the English Pale and lived for
two hundred years on the lands around Calais. In fact one of my
relatives was the King Henry VIII's Herald for Risebank Fort at Calais!
You will also be pleased to know that I am have Norman blood as well.
Sharing a forefather with Queen Elizabeth, we both claim descent from
Baron Malbank who also came over from Normandy during Conquest.
Phil, we are on our last legs as a family, as we have only 18 members
of this ancient line still living. So it's good to know that I still
have ancient cousins alive, albeit from 1000 years ago.”
The only way we (Cheevers, Chever, Chevers etc.) can begin to unravel the conundrum is to have many Cheevers, Chever, Chevers etc. have their genealolgical DNA profile done and to provide as large a pool as possible.ThePomeroyDNA study is probably the largest study to date and may be accessed using the following link.
POMEROY DNA STUDY OVERVIEW
Googling “genealogical DNA” (Use the quotation marks to limit the search.) will provide much information.
‘The Genographic Project’is sponsored by National Geographic and IBM, . . . . a globe spanning effort to collecte over 100,000 DNA samples representing a worldwide range of human diversity.More information may be had at
www.nationalgeographic.com/genographic
While the National Geographic and IBM are primarily interested in the anthropological information and following the migration ofcivilization (?) from the African cradle to the rest of the globe, the results are collated and notice of matches are distributed to individuals by Family Tree DNA
www.familytreeDNA.com
I would ask that every Cheevers (or person with a variant of the name) Have their DNA done and that we pool the data to see where to concentrate our genealogical research to get the biggest bang for the buck.It only needs the DNA of the oldest male relative in any ‘family grouping’(Sorry ladies but the trail follows only the Y chromosome.).
Phil Cheevers
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Re: cheevers/DNA
James Lynch 8/17/10