Thank you Sherry for this interesting important material concerning Osbert de Herloter. I’ll backtrack to put together the little I know of this man.
The Red Book of Ossory names some ‘Invaders’ of Ireland in 1169-70 (fol.90a), including Obertus de Herlotera. Various other authors (citing William Camden, Britannia 1610) state that Osbert de Herloter was present at the ‘Invasion’, among those persons who collaborated with Dermot MacMorrogh during the Invasion of 1169.
The Cambro-Norman Invasion of Ireland relies on the book The History and Antiquities of the City of Dublin, by Walter Harris, Esq., for its listing of ‘such English adventurers as arrived in Ireland during the first sixteen years from the invasion of the English, collected partly from Maurice Regan and Giraldus Cambrensis, two contemporary writers, and partly from records’: Here the name appears as Osbert de Herloter.
Through his writing, Gerald Cambrensis reveals he admired the warriors who pioneered the invasion (e.g. Strongbow and Raymond le Gros, members of the Welsh FitzGerald family), and despised `new officials' (like Robert le Poer) sent over by Henry II in an attempt to curb their influence. The first reference to this Robert Poer is in 1176 when Henry II sent four envoys to Waterford to instruct Raymond le Gros to abandon his efforts to make further conquests in the south of Ireland. The others with Robert Poer were Osbert de Herlotera, William de Bendinges and Adam de Genemes. Of the four envoys, two were to remain in Ireland with the earl [Strongbow] and two were to accompany Raymond le Gros, by now recalled to England. The timing was to be at the end of Winter 1176.Richard Power, publisher of ‘Robert le Poer’ (at http://www.itri.bton.ac.uk/~Richard.Power/robert.html)http://www.itri.bton.ac.uk/~Richard.Power/robert.html), citing `Expugnatio Hibernica' (The Conquest of Ireland) by Giraldus Cambrensis, estimates the four envoys were in Ireland in the spring of 1176. Robert Poer died 1178.
If, the newly found references to Osbto (or Osberto) de la Herlotere occurred about 1185 (I’ve used the year of the Inquest) for that date, then the reference could be the same man who went to Ireland in 1169 and 1176. Assuming he was not especially elderly in 1169, it is reasonable that Osbert may have lived another 20 or more years.It wasn’t unusual for those who went to Ireland to travel between there and wherever other business took them.
I note in the second reference to Osberto de Herlotere you found, that Willelmo de Bendinges is also named. I guess he too could be the same man as the envoy of that name who went to Ireland with Osbert de Herloter in 1176.
That these men’s names are found in Hampshire is not surprising; it had become an import administrative centre, especially Winchester (Winton).The two places named in association with Osberto de Herlotere are Colemore and Prior’s Dean in Hampshire, near Winchester. Today these are the names of adjoining parishes. Each parish once had a manor and a church with the same names. They are quite ancient and can be found in Domesday and on old maps (spelling varies). I wish I could read Latin (hopefully a kind reader will help out) as the two references may be significant. It might refer to Osbert Herloter being paid from the proceeds of these two places or having the use of those places for his services – but don’t take this interpretation as certain, because I am not sure myself.
I started looking for references to Osbert de Herloter because I was trying to find out whether he could be the ancestor of the Cod or Codds of Wexford, who is said to have been named Osbert or Osbern, and who went to Ireland with or soon after the Normans.At this point, I haven’t solved this problem, but I now am seeking more information about the 12th century Cods in Winchester, Hampshire. There was an Osbert Cod, in 1148, in Winton (Winchester), during the reign of King Stephen (1135 – 1154). He may be the same Osbert Cod in Winton in 1185. If so, he is contemporary with Osbert de Herloter and I wonder whether they are the same man.A lot of speculation…The brother of this King Stephen, Henry of Blois (1101 – 1171) was Abbott of Glastonbury Abbey from 1126 and Bishop of Winchester 1129 to his death. Their mother was a daughter of William the conqueror. For a time when Stephen was out of the country, Henry of Blois was the most powerful man in England. After Stephen died, Henry II (son of Geoffrey Plantagenet and Matilda who herself had claimed the English throne as Henry 1’s daughter) succeeded to the throne. That Henry is the one who sent Osbert de Herloter to Ireland at the end of winter 1176.
The terms ‘de Colemera’ and ‘de Camera’ I think are distinct – the former refers to a place, the last to an office. I can’t see a connection between Osbert de Herloter and Osbert de Camera, King Henry II’s camera regis. The latter left England in August 1176 for Sicily and returned in December, and Osbert de Herloter was sent to Ireland in Winter 1176, to be the same person he would have had to returned from Ireland smartly. I can’t discount this notion time wise, or on the basis of ‘surnames because people were recorded in different ways then; however, I have seen no facts to support that they are the same person.
Again thank you Sherry for finding the reference to Osbert de Herloter in Hampshire. It has certainly opened up the possibilities.Before that, the next reference I had to the surname Herloter was 13th century, and I do not know what, if any, connection there is to the 12th century Osbert de Herloter. After this the name Herloter seems to disappear from the record.
The following surnames occur in Hand-list of Charters, Deeds, and Similar Documents in the Possession of The John Rylands Library, by Moses Tyson (no date)
744. Grant by Hugh de la Harloter' to Tintern Abbey. " Hiis testibus Domino Ada, oicario de T u d e h [Tudeharn?], Domino Roberto, oicario de Wolanston. Roberto de Anste, Mauricio Torel. Roberto Cradoc, Henrico Were. Johanne Pmide, Henrico de Astefelde et aliis." Mar. 8 (2). 1279. Endorsed " duplicatur." Old number: XC.
745. Crant [sic – grant?] by Henry de Estefeld to Tintern Abbey. " Hiis testibm Thoma Walding, Mauricio Torel, Waltero Walding. Hugone le Harlet', Philippo
Walense Et multis aliis." n.d. Old number: xlo. [no date]
748. Crant [sic – grant?] by Martin de Estfeld, with the consent of Emma, his wife, to Tintern Abbey of land in the fee of Tudeharn. " Et ut kc mea donacio concessio et wnjirmacio perpetue jirmitatis robur optineat, una cum sigillo domine -Agnetis de Harloteria domine feodi c~~senswpnre [sic] bentis presenti m'pto sigillm
meum apposui. Hiis testibus Domino Radulpho clerico, Thoma Walding. Roberto cradoc, Roberto here, Aluredb esegare, Et multis aliis." n.d. Seal
(imperf.). Old number : xlvi. [no date]
Before this time, there are several 13th century mentions of ‘Herlot’. I am not sure if it is a personal name or surname. In the circumstances this name could have arisen separately:
From Matthew Paris’s English History From the Year 1235 to 1275 (1854, London, page 300):
AD1258: As the feast of Assumption of the glorious Virgin drew near, Herlot, the pope’s nuncio left England. He was a notary and special counsellor of the pope, and had come to England armed with the greatest powers of the pope, but, seeing the disturbed state of the kingdom, he wisely took his departure quietly, until a gale of peace and unity, and more favourable for him, should blow.
Rothwell’s interpretation of Matthew Paris, expresses it differently. The square brackets in the text below are as copied, and not my own. English Historical Documents 1187 – 1327 by Henry Rothwell (1996), section ‘Greater Chronicles of Matthew Paris 1258-9’, page 109: Of the Arrival of Herlot, the pope’s nuncio, in England
Soon afterwards, that is to say, in the week before Easter, mr Arlot [Herlotus], a notary and confidential clerk of the lord pope, came to England; who, although he was not called a legate, wanted the pomp and spleandour of one. For he came to Lodon, attended by twenty mounted followers; and the persons in cloase attendance on him lorded in their finery of eight [sic] cloaks; namely, five close and five sleeved, of the finest murrey. The king as usual, greeted him with rapture on his arrival, for he was invested with the hreatest powers and authority.
Another instance of Herlot in the records (From The ‘Denarius Sancti Petri’ in England): …Majister Herlot came to London as collector for England in March 1258…
Kind regards – hopefully the history will come together eventually.