wow that information is awesome. I believe that is my grandfather and grandmother. And my grandmothers maiden name was otterbine because her dad was full blood German came from Germany when he was approx 15yrs old. Around1914 WWI and his name was Emil Otterbine. Don't know if he has a middle name but thats all we know about him. Emil married Ester Jewell Bentley(maiden)which was full blood Cherokee Indian from Oklahoma. Her second husband once Emil passed carried the last name Snelling Im probably not spelling that right, I hope you know what I'm refering to. I don't even know if my grandfather had any brothers or sisters surely they did..Big families seem to be the trend with Crook's..lol My grandfathers dad passed away before he could know him is all we know he died when he was in his 20's, I believe. His name was Ernest William Crook I think his dates are 1898-1919 -I think no solid facts there. Now, Ernest married a Rilla Loretta Snider, could have had that other last name u mentioned because I'm just trying to piece this puzzle together. And with your information you provided diffently helped and gave some food for thought. I figured if I couldn't find a births certificate on Ivery then maybe can find one on maybe a sibling or his grandfathers. I'm wondering if Buster had any siblings or Ernest because with that information may found out more about my Grandfather Ivery. I can't tell you how much I appreciate that information you did find. WoW! I cant wait to tell my mom tomorrow :) Hope to hear from you again. and Thanks so much!