I would have gone right past your message but 'Prince Edward Isle' popped right out at me. The only place with that name that I know about is Canada's smallest province, Prince Edward Island, just north of Nova Scotia.
As I read the names of the people who married your Desmond names, it struck me that ALL those names can be found on PEI (as we in Canada call it). Look at listings using - http://canada411.sympatico.ca/eng/person.htmlhttp://canada411.sympatico.ca/eng/person.html
- one quick note: I think your Julia's husband was named Alexander HUME, with no 's' on the end. If so, there are a number of HUME names on PEI as well (see Sandra Hume at very end of this message).
Here's my totally instant, off the shoulder view of this - so tear it to pieces if you think it's crazy.
Desmond is Irish but may have been living in England. For some reason Mary Roynan (I say it's spelled RONAYNE and from IRELAND) came to Nova Scotia or Newfoundland, still a colony of England [alone ? with family ? maybe had first husband who died ??]. In the Canadian RONAYNE phone listings, you will note that out of 51 across Canada, 23 are in NF (Newfoundland) or NS (Nova Scotia), 45% of the total. As a Canadian student of history, this tells me this family name came from the Old World and settled in those two places which were natural seaports. I think you need to track the Ronayne surname back to Ireland and, yes, maybe to England as well.
Dennis Desmond was maybe in PEI, or maybe grew up next door in Nova Scotia or New Brunswick [or maybe came over with Mary and they were already married] and worked (cutting down trees, there were all kinds ? building wooden ships, very common at the time in that area ?). Whether in the Old or New World, they likely married around 1866/7.
The family probably moved to PEI before they had their children as you have listed - or perhaps had one or two in NF or NS as they moved around on the way to PEI. In any case, starting with Julia Desmond in 1886, the children married PEI names Hume, Steeves, Brennan, Graham. Of course it appears that your Patrick and Dennis Edward married two sisters, Mary and Annie Bridget Graham. You need to find more marriage info with dates, places, etc.
I notice the females were quite young at time of marriage, esp. Margaret Desmond (only 14-14½ at time of ceremony ?). PEI was and is still a very rural (farming) place, so this would not have been totally out of the ordinary, although this IS kinda young, even back then. Most provinces in Canada today still say that age 14 is legal age for s*xual consent or to leave school, so this could have happened.
Question - when you say "Could only find 6 kids" and "he said born Prince Edward Isle", HOW and WHERE did you find the 6 kids, and WHO is the 'he' who said 'born Prince Edward Isle' ?? Where did all this info come from ?
If you are not familiar with Canada and its provinces, try some of the following:
Log onto Govt of NEWFOUNDLAND, CANADA - Vital Stats - births, marriages, deaths - http://www.gov.nf.ca/panl/http://www.gov.nf.ca/panl/ - Once there, go to "Service to the public", then click onto "Client Services Section", then to "tracing your roots", then to "distance search". This is a form to be printed and sent to Newfoundland Govt, and for CAN$10.00 (about U$6.70) they will do the search for you. If you want copies, they will send you information on costs. Remember NFLD was a British colony for 452 (yes, 4-5-2) years, from 1497 until 1949, when it joined Canada - some records may well be in the United Kingdom.
S.L. Seary, "The Family Names of the Island of Newfoundland" - the standard information source for surnames in Newfoundland before and after 1949 when it became part of Canada. Seary was a professor or teacher, and many of his students helped collect the information in this book as part of their graduate studies.
The Basilica of St. John The Baptist, on Military Road in St. John's NFLD, was once known as the Cathedral of St. John the Baptist. The change was made in the 1950's when the Pope gave it the status of a minor Basilica. You will find many records there. If your ancestor was born, got married, or died in St. John's, records are here or at St. Patrick's Church. R.C. ARCHDIOCESE is tel: 709-726-3660; FAX at newsletter "Monitor" is 709-739-6458. The BASILICA telephone is 709-754-2170.
- http://www.Cyndislist.comhttp://www.Cyndislist.com - go to each province in Canada. It gives you many county by county cemeteries and the names in them (**NOTE: Newfoundland never had counties; don't try to find any.)
Among the many sources for info on NFLD are:
- http://www.infonet.st-johns.nf.ca/ip/heritage.htmlhttp://www.infonet.st-johns.nf.ca/ip/heritage.html -
- http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Heritage/NGB/Cemetery/index.htmlhttp://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Heritage/NGB/Cemetery/index.html -
- http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/cgi-bin/search-form/HeritageGENWEBPROJECThttp://www.chebucto.ns.ca/cgi-bin/search-form/HeritageGENWEBPROJECT -
- http://www.rootsweb.com/~canwgw/index.htmlhttp://www.rootsweb.com/~canwgw/index.html - ROOTSWEB site with (FOR EXAMPLE): - http://www.infonet.st-johns.nf.ca/providers/project21/1911/191102.htmhttp://www.infonet.st-johns.nf.ca/providers/project21/1911/191102.htm -
NEWFOUNDLAND HISTORICAL SOCIETY
Colonial Bldg., Military Rd.
St. Johns, Newfoundland,
(pls enclose a "donation" of min. $5.00)
NOTE: A new building to house Newfoundland's historical artifacts was announced late in December 1999. Construction was to begin in 2000 (it is delayed right now by financial cutbacks) and it may be open sometime late in 2001, or 2002.
Newfoundland and Labrador Genealogical Society Inc
354 Water Street,
St John's, Newfoundland,
CANADA A1C 1C4
and for Nova Scotia:
- http://www.CyndisList.com/novascot.htmhttp://www.CyndisList.com/novascot.htm - Cyndi's List for Nova Scotia - a great place to get started
- http://www.stillman.org/ns.htmhttp://www.stillman.org/ns.htm - has good basic NS map
NOVA SCOTIA Genweb Site - http://www.rootsweb.com/~canns/http://www.rootsweb.com/~canns/ -
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Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormon) [CANADA] - Halifax Mission,
Family History Centre & Genealogical Library,
44 Cumberland Drive,
Dartmouth, NS B2V 2C7
Tel: (902) 462-0628
**NOTE: The Mormons do not do a lot of verifying of the records they publish. Some people find they are about 50% accurate.
Main Office: Tel: (902) 468-2718, 202 Brownlow Avenue, Dartmouth, NSB3B 1T5
GOVT OF NS (VITAL STATISTICS) - http://www.gov.ns.ca/snsmr/http://www.gov.ns.ca/snsmr/ - births, marriages, deaths, etc.
- http://www.gov.ns.ca/snsmr/vstat/history.stmhttp://www.gov.ns.ca/snsmr/vstat/history.stm - All records filed after 1908 are held on file in the Vital Statistics office. Civil registrations of birth and deaths in Nova Scotia began (again) on October 1, 1908 and continue to the present day. As well, delayed registrations of births for some individuals born in the province between 1876 and 1908 were filed after 1908. Civil registrations of birth and deaths in Nova Scotia between 1864 and 1876 are held at: The Public Archives of Nova Scotia (6016 University Avenue, Halifax, NS, B3H 1W4).
Marriage records filed at Vital Statistics began from 1906 to 1918 depending on the county where the event occurred. Marriage records prior to these years have been transferred to the Public Archives of Nova Scotia.
Nova Scotia's European settlement began in 1604, and many records can be found in local historical societies or museums, as well as in church records. Some of these are more accessible, or in better condition, than others. If planning to look at LOCAL records, be sure to CALL or WRITE IN ADVANCE to arrange day and time of visit. GET A PHONE # or E-MAIL ADDRESS for a person in the local vicinity in case your plans change - or they are not there to let you in.
- http://www.nsarm.ednet.ns.ca/http://www.nsarm.ednet.ns.ca/ - Public Archives of Nova Scotia - Tel: (902) 424-6060 FAX: (902) 424-0628 - **NOTE: AS OF 2001, THEIR ACTUAL RECORDS WERE NOT YET AVAILABLE ON-LINE, so you must visit in person, employ researchers, or use "snail mail" if you live far away.
- http://nsgna.cdnet.ns.ca/index.htmlhttp://nsgna.cdnet.ns.ca/index.html - or - http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Recreation/GANS/index.htmhttp://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Recreation/GANS/index.htm - Genealogical Association of Nova Scotia (GANS) - Leland Harvie, newsletter editor - P.O. BOX 41, Halifax, N.S. Canada B3J 2T3 - 902-443-9107, Halifax - 1,500 members - the main "chebucto" menu was changed after April 1999 to - http://www.rootsweb.com/~canns/http://www.rootsweb.com/~canns/ - with LINKS to many interesting sites.
"Genealogical Research in Nova Scotia" by Terrance Punch - ISBN 1-55109-235-2 - Terry is a professionally accredited Canadian genealogist who specializes in immigration from Ireland, Germany and Montbéliard (Huguenot Protestants French-Swiss border area).
Cape Breton County NS (for RONAYNE) - http://www.rootsweb.com/~nscpbret/cbgenwb.htmlhttp://www.rootsweb.com/~nscpbret/cbgenwb.html - contains the main population centres of Sydney (founded 1785), Glace Bay (Canada's "largest town" pop 25,000), Sydney Mines and North Sydney (gateway by sea to Newfoundland), and New Waterford, all very busy coal mining communities through the 20th century.
Halifax County, NS (look up RONAYNE's in Halifax and Dartmouth/Cow Bay) - http://www.rootsweb.com/~nshalifa/http://www.rootsweb.com/~nshalifa/ - largest county in area and population in NS, location of capital city Halifax (1749), sister city Dartmouth (1750). 400,000 of NS's one million people live here. Political, financial, commercial, and cultural centre of NS; largest urban centre north of Boston and east of Québec. Halifax has 5 universities and major teaching and treatment hospitals. Canada's largest military establishment and a major port and shipping centre are here.
For info on family history along the Eastern Shore of Hfx County (Cow Bay NS is at the southern end of this shore):
Lake Charlotte Area Heritage Society
P.O. Box 1937, Lake Charlotte,
Halifax Regional Municipality, NS
Tel: (902) 845-1937 Fax: (902) 845-2477
Website @ - http://heritagevillage2000.tripod.com/http://heritagevillage2000.tripod.com/ - The Clam Harbour United Church of Canada was moved in 2000 to this site.
and in Prince Edward Island:
- http://www.gov.pe.cahttp://www.gov.pe.ca - 1-800-565-7421 - PEI general or tourist info @ 1-800-734-7529
Public Archives and Records Office of Prince Edward Island
P.O. Box 1000,
Telephone: (902) 368-4290
Ms. Thelma Johnston
Director Vital Statistics
35 Douses Rd, P.O. Box 3000
Tel: (902) 838-0880Fax: (902) 838-0883
Toll Free (for NS and PEI Residents: 1-877-320-1253
Fees: Births & Marriages - Wallet Size $20.00 -
Large/Certified Copy $30.00 Death: $30.00
Cheque or Money Order: Provincial Treasurer
- http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~canada/pei/u_v.htmhttp://homepages.rootsweb.com/~canada/pei/u_v.htm - find people researching various surnames in P.E.I.
Prince Edward Island Surname List at -
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~canada/pei.htmhttp://homepages.rootsweb.com/~canada/pei.htm - As of Dec 1999 there were over 3,800 names listed on the site. Roxanne Moos - email@example.com - recommends it.
Edna Cudmore - firstname.lastname@example.org - wrote May 19, 2000: PEI Families - West Prince, South Rustico, Charlottetown and North Winsloe. Looking to share information with other researchers for Bott(s), Bloomfield, Gallant (South Rustico), MacAusland, Costain, Horne, Adams, Barry & Clements, all from West Prince. Cudmore and Dyment/Diamond families of Winsloe, Ch'town and Summerside.
"The Eight Founding Families of Tignish" published in 1999 by the Tignish Bicentennial Committee. Or try - http://www.tignish.comhttp://www.tignish.com - under history & genealogy.
Prince Edward Island (PEI) Register Guest Book (Dave Hunter) - http://www.isn.net/~dhunter/guestbook.htmlhttp://www.isn.net/~dhunter/guestbook.html -
Kathy Mackinnon (March 18, 1999) - PEI - email@example.com -
Sandra HUME (**related to your people ??) - PEI - firstname.lastname@example.org -
Of course, if ALL of this is totally wacky, I have spent a lot of time for nothing !