Chris, all my info about the ecthernacht I got from family tree maker, I did a family tree for my grandma Clara's 100th birthday a few yrs back and knew very little one of the Tiedemann grkids had done a really good tree I thought I hit the jackpot at the time. My dad knew nothing about that side of the family his mother was brought to Penna at the age of 9 after her mother and uncle had Alice commited to a state hospital in Clarinda Ia my dad had got the name of a lady in Axira, Ia that was a cousin? I think she told him all the family secrets which was a real blessing we found out she had a half sister and that there was some question as to whether her father's death was suicide or a murder? It was a great find I love the stories almost as much as the dates and stuff. There is a place called Echternach in Luxembourg just over the border from Germany near the Black Forest where my dad's relatives came from a place called Solingen I think near Stuttgart? I wish I'd known about the reunion this year, my dad would have loved meeting some of the Echternacht's He's 79 yrs old now and losing his sight his mother just passed away this year at 102yrs old.