We are from the JOHN HARTLE / SARAH SHAY lineage of MADRID , ST.LAWRENCE CO., NY. One of their children was named Edsall Hartle. It was posted on the 1850 census for Madrid. Sarah SHAY may have been related to your Philp Shay. I was to the understanding at sometime back the SHAY/ EDSALL families joined in marriage. The Hartle`s moved into Ontario, Canada about 1852.