I thought I would start a new Message regarding the search for John Eggen's parents.Per my earlier message I think I have found John Eggen in Nord Netherlands in 1784. I waited until now to see if any additional information might become available, but nothing has turned up so I thought I would do some more research on him.I remembered my sister telling me about a web site called Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness and they do have International Volunteers.I have "met" a very kind gentleman named Jan Brul who does research in Nord Netherlands.He has been most helpful in researching the Jan Eggen I had found previously and we have both come to the conclusion that this Jan Eggen is more than likely our John Eggen.I am going to enter all the information he has passed on to me and if anyone who is researching John Eggen and Eunice Pound Eggen would like to comment, please feel free to do so. From:Jan Brul On the baptizm site of Amsterdam I found: kind: (child) , Jan doopdatum: (baptism date) 29-02-1784 kerk: (church) Eilandskerk (Island Church) Godsdienst: (Religion) Hervormd (Reformed) vader: (father) Eggen, Matthijs moeder: (mother) Rodermont, Albertje getuige: (witness) Rodermont, Teunis getuige: (witness) Rodermont, Trijntje bron: (source) 116 p. 426 (folio 213v) nr. 3
So his original first name is like mine Jan.The dutch words are hopefuly easily translated. If not, say so. I also found the following baptizms: (Note from Alice-I used Google, Dutch to English translation and found the above translations)
(Note from Jan Brul-At least 1 of these children of them is buried:
Ingeschrevene: (attached) Eggen, Matthijs datum begrafenis: (date of burial) 09-01-1793 begraafplaats: (cemetery) Kinderlijken (Children's Corpses) relatieinformatie: (relationship information) Kind van (child of)
(Jan-There are 3 girls named Femmetje, so at least 2 of them died young:) ingeschrevene: Eggen, Femmetje datum begrafenis 02-06-1784 begraafplaats: Kinderlijken
(Jan - There are 2 sons named Pieter. So the 1 of 1785 died young) Ingeschrevene: Egge, Pieter datum begrafenis 14-12-1785 begraafplaats: Kinderlikjen
Jan also states there are no old censuses of Amsterdam left. In additional correspondence with Jan he writes: The family name Eggen is not very popular in the Netherlands. The site http://www.meertens.knaw.nl/nfb/index.phphttp://www.meertens.knaw.nl/nfb/index.php gives information about the apperance of family names in 1947 and 2007.The site has also an english interface.
I do not find the marriage of a Jan Eggen or birthes of childern of him in Amsterdam.I do not find his burial before 1811 or his death from 1811.So the possibility that he emigrated are high.You mentioned the first names that he gave to his childern.Their first names fit the pattern used here and are another proof.The Netherlands was in 1805 already occupied by Napoleon Bonaparte.I have no idea what influence this had on dutch able men.
In another reply, Jan wrote: There are no emigration records in that time frame (1800-1805) So no help there.It seems that most of his brothers and sisters died at a young age. The marriage records 1811 and later are only alphabetized on the grooms.Brides 1811-1854 are on a index on paper.I will look and see if Femmetje Eggen is there.
So now, here's my question to all you researching John Eggen of Holland, should we accept this Jan Eggen as our John Eggen and record his parents as Matthijs Eggen and his mother as Albertje Rodermont or leave him as we have him now, parents unknown?I welcome any comments on this matter.I for one think Jan and John are one and the same.
I would also like to give a big THANK YOU to Jan Brul for all his research he did for me.Volunteers like Jan and others around the world are the ones that enable us here in America in our research of our earlier families that immigrated here. Alice Price