I was from Richmond, IN.My grandmother was an Engelbert, but She was originally from Cincinnati, which is the part of the family I know about. I can't help you, except to alert you to looking into Cincinnati records.I was told that the Engelberts that were in Richmond were related to us and had come from Cincy. I've asked around some, I now live in FL) and I suspect that my grandmother's father was likely a brother to your descendants.My great grandfather was was John Bernard Engelbert.All of his family except my grandmother stayed in Cincy for the most part.Do you have any connections in Richmond? The library, which is online, has a pretty extensive listing of obit. on file.Let me know if you need anymore source to check in Indiana or Ohio.