I have the St. Liborius, Eissen, Westphalia, Germany film #1185761 on permanent loan and can look at that one for you. I am not going this Saturday because I have out-of-town company, but will go again next Saturday.I didn't realize there were two films! Or maybe I did and just never got around to ordering the other one. It takes 10 days to two weeks for a film to come in when you order it. Then you have it for about six weeks, which usually is plenty of time to find what you're looking for. If not, you can extend another six weeks. It's $5.50 for the film rental for each six-week period you have it. If you extend twice, it stays at the Family History Center (unless you decide to have it sent back). You will need to go to the Family History Center to order the film because you have to pay when ordering. Meanwhile, I can put you in touch with someone whose Engemann ancestors are also from Eissen. If you will e-mail me at firstname.lastname@example.org, I will send you his e-mail address. He might even have your Engemanns in his records.