Sir, Have you ever heard if the Englerts dropped the the "T" and went by Engler? My great grear grandfather was Joel Engler.He was born in 1830.I do not know where or his parents.I do know that he married Lucy Manning, a girl 31 years younger than himself!!They had 5 children by 1888.Tressie L. Engler was their fifth child.She was my great grandmother.She was born in Wakenda Township in Missouri.I think that is in Carroll County. Do any of these ring a bell?If you can point me in the right direction, I would appreciate it!!!!