Lisa, I'm not sure that our valentine's are of the same group or not.......I'm new to the search of ancestors but,as of late have learned a great deal about my family.....mostly from a relative......Marilyn Chaney Ertel. What I do have so far is, my Valentine left germany via from Rotterdam Holland where he boarded a ship the "Snow Betsey", this ship landed Pittsburg,Pa.on Aug.27 1739.....(I've confirmed this by checking the "immigrant ships transcribers guild" on rootsweb.com.) He had a wife Sophia (last name unknown) and lived the rest of his life in Northumberland County Pa.(the 1790 census of Pa.confirms this).....he had 3 sons,Philip,Daniel,and Valentine-2. Valentine-2 died in Warren County OHIO before 1830 and was a vetran of the war of 1812.......Daniel,his brother, also had a son which was named Valentine-3. Valentine-3 was born to Daniel In Warren County Ohio,Hamilton Township before 1797... Barbara Zoller does'nt show up in these lines anywhere that i've checked.......I have learned that there are six or seven different lines of Ertels that immigrated from Germany and they were probally the same family in Germany that got split-up when arriving to the states...I would love to piece together their history in that country.....but,so far it has proved very difficult. Hope this was of some help.........Keith.