Alfred J. was born about 1866 in New Orleans and his son Charles was born May 10 1893.I do not know where or when Alfred died, but Charles died in Chicago in 1987.The family tradition is that they originated in the Alsace area in France. Other children of Alfred J. were Alfred M., Ruth Celia, and Sidney L. Fahrner. Alfred J.'s wife was Sylvie Zambelli.Charles J.'s wife was Hazel Westover.