Many thanks for your reply, helps me out trying to work out where everybody came from. My Grandmother was born in 1937 and I can not ask her any questions as she died last year. Some of the names in your email I do recall her talking about, like Violet and Leonard was actually her dad. So thak makes sense as Alice would be her grandmother which is where her middle name came from. Leonard had a son later and called him Gordon. I would love to see the tree you have, I am living in London at Putney.Let me know if it is possible to meet up to have a look.