Has anyone actually seen any proof that Andre Serre is from Joinville, Champagne?
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The Sire de Joinville line moved away, property sold and the family divided around 1552:
one branch to Naples
one branch to England
Not saying impossible: just very odd as most records show the Sire de Joinville line pretty much expired in Champagne 100 years before Andre Serre was born.
Serre is a southern French version of Sire: usually related to St. Jean de Serres: a French martyr and town of the same name........thus the use of the dit name "St. Jean"
You can find endless branches of the Serre family right down into the Languedoc, Mid Pyrannees and Cote' D' Azur
In the 1600's:
Very northern versions are almost always Sirre, Sire, Le Suire
Montbeliard: Sire, Sircoulon, Sireau
La Rochelle versions are Sire, Sirois,
Parisian versions are usually Sceur, Le Sceur......
Would love to see some good evidence, because my understanding is both his mother and father are from the south east of France.