As far as I have seen from all the research, all the Frambes families, with their various spellings, descended from Johan (John)Peter Frambes of Holland who married Mary Margaret Hoffman.I found one email exchange between me and Charles Frambes from 2004. He lists Peter and Mary's children as Nicholas,Andrew, Hossa (spelling?), Peter, Michael, John, Rachel, Mary Ann, Margret, Sarah, Polly, and Susan. I can't put my hands on the many notes I've collected from various researchers who shared info in genealogy forums but it seems, over time, that there developed three groups of Frambes.One line stayed in the New Jersey inland area like my line of Joseph, Samuel, William (I can not determine which of Peter and Mary's sons was Joseph's father)- many of whom became farmers and glassblowers.Another line seemed to move over to the Atlantic County coast.Then there was Peter and Mary's grandchildren from Andrew. After he died his wife remarried - can't find my notes for the new husband's name but I remember they moved, with Andrew Frambes' children Mary, Peter, and Joseph to Ohio in 1803. I remember that because I had hoped that Joseph was mine - but he settled in Ohio and raised a family there and did not return to New Jersey.(So I ruled out Andrew as my Joseph's father.)Now, as I told you before, the 1850 census showing Joseph's children was very clear - one was my ancestor Samuel and another was clearly a Joseph.However, I came across something else while reviewing my Frambes file - from Ancenstry.com, Boyd's Cumberland County Directory for 1887-1888, Bridgeton, NJ, there is a Josiah Framphus, glassblower, living at 56 Orange with the same information for a Charles Framphus.That's the only info - name, occupation, address.Josiah and Charles have the same listing in the 1889-1890 directory. However, if I remember right, I think you were looking for Frambes in Illinois.I have no information outside of New Jersey....and I have not studied 'collateral' lines, so I haven't looked at my Samuel's brother's records.