Re: FRAME DNA project - update
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Re: FRAME DNA project - update
Charles Frame 12/04/07
Hello Charles
In reply to your questions, I will quote information from the Patriarch Page at the Frame DNA Project website at:
http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/f/frame/pats.htmlhttp://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/f/frame/pats.html
which is a mix of DNA information and traditional research.It is believed that James Frame arrived in Pennsylvania with the Ulster-Scots c.1730s, although his genetic link to Lanarkshire is certain. A Frame family tradition is that James's family fled to Ireland to escape religious persecution before eventually sailing to America. This pioneer's DNA profile matches a number of Group A Frames but is particularly close to the Patriarch #5 Lanarkshire family. The common ancestor is only about 8-9 generations back from the testers, thus indicating late 1600s. There are many branches deserving DNA validation on this large historic Frame family's pedigree. Y-DNA tests of any male Frame descendants of James Frame and Martha McCausland, and William Frame and Susannah Erwin would be beneficial to help attach more lines. I have a notion of who James's Scottish family was, but again, it will be almost impossible to prove. My personal belief is that James Frame (d.1754 Augusta Co. WV) should be honoured and celebrated as the immigrant Patriarch of this fine Frame family.
The Thomas Freame b.1649 Gloucestershire, England, son of Laurance, has been repeatedly published as the father of Patriarch #4: James Frame (d.1754 Augusta Co. West Virginia) whose DNA profile matches the Frames of Lanarkshire, Scotland. As I understand it, the problem appears to stem from false pencil entries in records which were then published and also entered in an LDS Ancestral file. From there is has been copied endlessly. Additional Frame DNA Project member research of records at the New England Historic Genealogical Society in Boston in August 2007 determined there was absolutely no evidence to link Thomas Freame with James Frame. Thomas Freame and Mary Rowell's only son, Thomas, died in 1686 at the age of two. Thomas Freame settled in Amesbury Mass. and was a tailor by trade. He would almost certainly have had a connection to the Freames of Cam and Cirencester in Gloucestershire who were prosperous textile merchants. Freames are on record in Gloucestershire from about the 13th century and connected to Nether Lypiatt and other manors. Some early records show the name as ‘ de Reom’. Y-DNA testing of any direct male line descendants of Laurance Freame (1650/51) or Daniell Freame (1664) would be beneficial in resolving this issue. I suspect if there is a genetic link between the Freame and Frame families, it will be an ancient one back around the 11th-13th centuries, therefore a greater genetic distance between the testers would be obvious.
Charles, the more males from around the world of the Frame/ Freame/ Frain and other variant surnames to test, the more will be uncovered about our unknown cousins of today and also our ancient origins. Moreover, unfortunate conflict issues such as this one with James Frame and Thomas Freame will be categorically put to rest.
Best regards
Julie Frame Falk
Co. Admin.
Frame DNA Project
http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/f/frame/index.htmlhttp://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/f/frame/index.html
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Re: FRAME DNA project - update
Charles Frame 12/04/07
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Julie Falk 12/04/07
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Re: FRAME DNA project - update