Dear Valerie, I have been through my files and have found some details that may be relevant to your branch of the family. Firstly though I have been through my extracts from the indexes to births, deaths and marriages and noted the following were all registered in Wandsworth district. Some I assume are your Uncles and Aunts and wondered if you could confirm which as I know that there was an Alfred with family in the area as well as your Thomas Charles. I realise that this may be difficult as you might not have had much contact with your Fray relatives with you and your brother being born in the north and your father dying whilst you were so young.
BIRTHS Year QtrVolPage 1901 SepJack ( who died the same year)1d660 1903 SepPercy Charles (birth registered in Lambeth but died in Sutton 1968)1d381 1905 MarHilda Maud1d613 1906 SepLeonard George1d503 1907 DecArthur Joseph1d520 1910 DecThomas Reginald1d671 1910 MarSidney Albert (??? Son of Albert???) 1913 JunDoris I (daughter of Alfred) 1916Marjorie F (daughter of Alfred)
The 1881 census for 11 George Street Sutton (ref RG11 0759 76 78) gives some siblings for Thomas Charles. The census details are:
NameRelAgeOccupationPlace of Birth Thomas FrayHead29CarmanSurrey Kingston JaneWife31Ewell EmmaDau6Wimbledon FrancisDau4Ewell ThomasSon2Sutton AliceDau8mSutton Henry HamiltonLodger Widow 70 Cordwainer Kent
I assume you have the marriage certificate for Thomas and Jane (1874 Jun Epsom 2a 17). I have looked up the Birth references for Thomas and Jane’s family 1875 MarEmma MaryKingston2a260 1878 SepThomas CharlesEpsom2a3(died Wandsworth 1962) 1880 SepAlice JaneEpsom2a10
I haven’t got a Frances / Francis in my extracts from the indexes (I may have missed it or she may have been registered under a different name or not registered at all). There are a further two births registered in Epsom. 1882 JunGeorge ArthurEpsom2a 12(died Wandsworth 1945) 1884 SepJames AlbertEpsom2a 10(died Surrey NE1959)
I have records of a James Albert who enlisted into the army at age 14 that may be the James Albert above. His army record shows that he was a musician in the Notts and Derby Reg. He married at Shardlow in 1907 to Edith Eliz Freason, had two daughters Frances born 1908 in Derby and Dorothy born 1910 in Fermoy. He was re-engaged in 1910, promoted 1914 and discharged 1917. The records show that he was 4ft 8 and 5/8 inches tall with a 28 ½ inch chest, was of dark complexion with dark brown eyes and black hair. He had a mole on the back of his neck and scars to his head and right arm. His other named relatives are Father - Thomas deceased Mother – Lote(?) Wayford St, Battersea Chelsea Brother- Thomas? Station St, Abbey Road, R????l 19 Gatesbury Road, Wandsworth It isn’t clear whether this was at enlistment or discharge. I would be interested to know if you have any links to these addresses or whether Thomas re married Lote (Charlotte?).
There are copies of some of the parish registers for Kingston on Thames at the local history centre in Woking from which I have noted two relevant baptisms Apr 4 1847 Williamson of James and Mary Ann Fray of KingstonWaterman Jul 30 1848 Charles John son of James and Mary Ann Fray of Kingston Labourer (born 28 Jun 1848) William died age 6months.
The IGI also gives Jamesson of James and Mary Ann baptised 6 Apr 1845 who also died as a child.
In the indexes to births there are several in Kingston. John1850 SepIV 238 James1852 Dec2a 160 Thomas1855 Jun2a 161********* Elizabeth Jane1857 Mar2a 168 George1858 Dec2a 177 Walter James Pedder 1863 Sep2a 219
If you are able to obtain the certificate for Thomas you should be able to confirm his mother and her maiden name. If you are very lucky the family may appear in the census for 1851 / 1861 at the address on the certificate. If like most of my own London ancestors yours lived in rented accommodation and moved frequently, then you may need to buy other certificates to get addresses closer to the census years or to hope that the census has been indexed. If not then it is a long job to work your way through and all to get James’s place of birth! James may well have been born in Kingston as there had been Fray’s in the area a couple of centuries earlier and there were still a few around(IGIJames John son of James and Elizabeth bapt 26 May 1820) but it was a era when there was a lot of movement around the country.
If this is the sort of information you were looking for then I may be able to expand some areas further. If you can add to my knowledge …addresses, occupations etc then I would be extremely grateful.