Even though a Gaines, I am beginning to come to the same conclusion. I can find pretty strong documentation to support our particular line back to Virginia in 1700's, however, the 'waters' become pretty muddy after that. There are so many sons of sons of sons who are brothers of brothers of brothers all with the same first name. I can see this has created a lot of confusion in the who married who and had which children department. Even though there is some proof of immigration in this line from England, much of the word of mouth family stories have the line coming directly from Ireland. "Seven brothers coming to America together & becoming separated." Also, "the men tended to be short with light reddish blond hair and blue eyes." "Every once in a while a red headed blond turns up." "William, James, John, Robert, Elizabeth, Henry, Sarah will be common names." As I am finding those stories to be true, I am leaning more and more to the idea that the reason so many of the living Gaines Clan that I know deny that the family came from Wales, is that they are not the same line as the famous 'squinty-eyed' fellow who saved Henry V.